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    I'm not sure if it needs to get complicated.

    If we go back to basics - why do we like/accept links and why don't we?

    Links are helpful if they are adding to the discussion and providing useful information for the user.

    Links are not useful if they're something that has been crapped by a link-builder monkey.

    I don't see why we'd need to get into no-follow - I've never been a fan of that. It's like an admission of guilt to tell G what you are and aren't doing. It seems simpler to me to make a forum not accessible to the bots. Foo, for example, isn't spidered. IMO, links are fine, trying to use this forum for a link building campaign isn't fine. (But I'm an administrator not a technical person so I could be wrong.)
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    I'm not a great fan of nofollow either as you know. So if you did allow links in listings they'd be dofollow and the $1.99 which covers the manually review would also cover deciding whether it's a real site sale or simply someone buying a link. I suspect the problem of people listing for a link won't be one you'll face in the initial few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clinton View Post
    I suspect the problem of people listing for a link won't be one you'll face in the initial few months.
    .. or ever.

    It's obviously a good idea to protect the forum from spammy links but you have to bear in mind that a thread on EP isn't exactly the homepage of BBC. To link builders, it's just another random PR3 forum. Sure, links being do-follow is an added benefit and could push it up in the list of forums to target for link building, but I'm fairly certain that there won't be many link spammers willing to pay for a link on a random thread here (no difference whether it's $1.99, $10 or $0.02) AND spend their time creating a good enough (fake) sales thread that would pass moderation.

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    I got an idea, simple but means some work for someone, why not allow links for a period of time, so they put up the site for sale and after say 1 month (plenty of time for buyers to click and look) the link is removed.
    And they thought me broken, that my tongue was coated lead, but I just couldn't make my words make sense to them, if you only listen with your ears ... I can't get in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    .. or ever.

    It's obviously a good idea to protect the forum from spammy links but you have to bear in mind that a thread on EP isn't exactly the homepage of BBC. To link builders, it's just another random PR3 forum. Sure, links being do-follow is an added benefit and could push it up in the list of forums to target for link building, but I'm fairly certain that there won't be many link spammers willing to pay for a link on a random thread here (no difference whether it's $1.99, $10 or $0.02) AND spend their time creating a good enough (fake) sales thread that would pass moderation.
    The problem is once a site gets into the spammers/link builders lists it gets spread and shared, and then it gets into some xrumer lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grynge View Post
    The problem is once a site gets into the spammers/link builders lists it gets spread and shared, and then it gets into some xrumer lists.
    You're forgetting that we're talking about paid and moderated threads here. Last time I checked, xrumer wasn't capable of processing PayPal payments

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    Plus we have a hungry Rottweiler, chained up in the pre-mod office, who eats spam for breakfast.

    Grynge is right about getting on to spammers' lists, though. I've seen some terrible problems when a site is perceived as a good place to dump links. EP is a bit different, Clinton somehow got it all set up so hardly any of the nasties get through. I only need to ban maybe a handful of people a day at most and that seems pretty low to me. It's just occurred to me that I haven't even issued an infraction for months. You better all behave yourselves. On second thoughts, don't worry - I'm off to make steak (rare!) and chips. I can smell the blood already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay View Post
    It seems simpler to me to make a forum not accessible to the bots.
    I'd actually hope that my listing would be open to the world at large. More eyeballs = more chance of a sale, or failing that, you might even attract a new forum member. Everything I'm arguing is simply in favor of a better marketplace for sellers & buyers - I'm not looking to score backlinks for a site that will hopefully be out of my possession if all goes right.

    A very large warning on the checkout page for listings should more than do its job to scare away the "monkeys" - I don't see how anyone would chance it considering that you have their contact details via your payment processor. If anything doesn't look right, you can contact them directly: "Hello Mr. __. About that nail fungus blog you're selling in our marketplace ... why are you pointing hundreds of forum profile links at your listings page?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by grynge View Post
    I got an idea, simple but means some work for someone, why not allow links for a period of time, so they put up the site for sale and after say 1 month (plenty of time for buyers to click and look) the link is removed.
    ...which is actually what's on offer at the moment, bar the ability to link - the rules state that listings last for 30 days.

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    I never liked the idea of blocking the marketplace to bots as that would greatly reduce its use to site sellers. Besides, as gzed says, it may be in our own interest to have these threads open to bots to drive targeted traffic.

    As Dave points out, the listing's for 30 days only so I can't see it becoming a major issue for spam and/or getting on the spammer lists (the small dollar charge itself makes it very unattractive to spammers who are looking for the easiest and cheapest way of building large numbers of links).

    Just my 0.02 cents (now can I have a free link, please )
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