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    Quote Originally Posted by Clinton View Post
    @ Crabfoot

    PBN Masterclass? PBN Assassin?

    Puke! You can't be serious! He's discovered the secret to SEO: quality content, on-site SEO and quality backlinks. And he's going to show you how to do that. I don't think you're his target customer. He seems to be looking for first time webmasters. If you have a great SEO advantage (or blackhat technique that works) you'll go after Viagra and Personal Injury SERPs, not teach the technique to novices.
    Stupid boy! It's Cialis and PPI these days. But you're missing the big SEO point, which is that

    if you want to stay the right side of Catt Mutts and Ric E $chidt, you can only build from scratch if your site looks like a genuine blog with good original material.


    One thing I have really taken to heart is to stand back and look at what works overall. Unfortunately, I lack the passion to write enough serious stuff these days ,,,

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    Clinton,

    Hey, you both agree that online shopping is "going to boom". Box ticked here.
    The article you're referring to is an article in the Wall Street Journal. (Check out the link) I was simply using it to back up my assertion that offline retail is dead and online retail is in its infancy. I don't think the MMO brigade has infiltrated the WSJ en masse yet.

    You're a nice guy, and I respect and look forward to your posts so I sincerely hope that you can prove me wrong in a big way.
    I'm not trying to prove you, or anyone wrong. While I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the tactics of IM or marketing/copywriting techniques in general, all of you are missing the point. So once again, and respectfully,

    Point one is, not ALL marketing is a scam. (A lot of it is though) Condemning something, or someone because they use tried and proven marketing techniques, or because it isn't new and innovative isn't a valid excuse for not trying something or automatically throwing it in the dustbin because of it. I'm sorry, but I've made a six figure living for the past 15+ plus years selling quality products online using some of the techniques. That automatically makes me a scam artist? The general consensus on this forum is if you market your products in any meaningful way, or are successful doing it, you must be a dirtbag. I respectfully disagree.

    I noticed when you were marketing your websites and trying to sell them pretty hard on Flippa using many of the same techniques you outlined above though. Let me guess.... that's different, right?

    So in other words, let me make sure I have this right...a review site which ranks highly (and there are many that do) which reviews a product, lists pros and cons of each product, contains actaul user reviews of the products, and has 4 or 5 products reviewed, puts up quality, informative articles regarding the product, and uses affiliate links to the products themselves, and IF someone buys from one of these affiliate links, I've scammed them and should be ashamed of myself for tricking and taking advantage of those gullible consumer/newbies. Is that what you're saying?

    Point two is, this is the "Make Money Online" subforum. This appears to be a valid method that ***Might*** make money and it fits my criteria for further exploration. Here are the criteria. Use existing skills, can be researched quickly, test marketed cheaply, which doesn't require expensive outlays in cash, or time.

    Like I said, if you can show me something better, please do. While we're on the subject, If you can show me a successful, money making website that doesn't use established marketing and/or copywriting techniques, please show me that too.

    My original post was about the general idea of creating affiliate/review sites, not the marketing techniques, or the wordage he used to sell the book. But automatically shooting down any suggestion because they "market" their product in a way that isn't acceptable to this forum, or they use conventional marketing techniques isn't the constructive conversation I was hoping for.

    This conversation has veered way off track and is spinning in circles not related to the original post so I'll back off and you guys can keep searching for that bright and shiny new internet opportunity that doesn't use any marketing or copywriting.

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    One thing I have really taken to heart is to stand back and look at what works overall.
    Exactly. Me too. We've all seen bright and shiny come and go a dozen different times. But what has stayed the course? What has stood the test of time? Affiliate review sites. I know they are one of the first things I look for when I'm thinking of buying a product. Of course that doesn't mean for a second I'll be able to get them to rank highly enough to make a difference, or I can find good keywords with traffic, or make any money at them if I'm able to do the first two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsieg58 View Post
    Exactly. Me too. We've all seen bright and shiny come and go a dozen different times. But what has stayed the course? What has stood the test of time? Affiliate review sites. I know they are one of the first things I look for when I'm thinking of buying a product. Of course that doesn't mean for a second I'll be able to get them to rank highly enough to make a difference, or I can find good keywords with traffic, or make any money at them if I'm able to do the first two.
    Stand back again, David. Why do they work? Is it because they present unique material that Catt Mutts can't diss as being similar to another site?


    What works needs to be as original as possible - you are pinpointing a way towards that, there are other areas which naturally lead to unique content.



    Unique is your best asset, because one thing that the spiders can tell is if the words represent duplicate content. Theey even spider the Wayback machine - zombie a site onto a different URL from the original, and they notice.


    If the material is unique in web terms, falls into a predetermined category of some sort, has a picture or ten and / or a video {which may just be a two second powerpoint slide with a voice over) your site can beat a rival packed with genuine info, even if the rival retro-fits the picture or ten and video.


    Speaking for myself, I know far too much about what doesn't work and not enough about what does work, that is, works without making me feel squeamish or uncomfortable.

     

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    Dave, for what is worth, my comments were directed solely to the content of the book you described in the original post. I never suggested that you - or anyone else - cannot build a successful website. I agree with your premise that online buying will continue to grow and I am certain that some websites will share in that growth.

    The book, however, was about ranking high in organic search and I believe it will be harder and harder to have a small niche site rank well in the SERPs. I question his premise that you can find high paying AdWords where the top spots can be snagged in the SERPs with a minisite and a few weeks of self-linking through article directories and web 2.0 properties.

    I have one other comment about the book that I meant to make in my earlier post. He states that you can have the income stream FOR LIFE. Nothing lasts forever. I have a legal information site on a very specific topic that has very good content, all written by me personally. It has a quality backlink profile that is absolutely white hat and largely natural and unsolicited from users, teachers, libraries and other quality sites. It doesn't push any products or contain much advertising. At its peak, it was generating a very nice four-figure monthly revenue stream, mostly from AdSense. For some reason beginning in the January 2012, perhaps related the so-called Page Layout Algorithm Update, it started dropping in visits. I had been invited to a "Google in Your City" seminar for AdSense publishers at the Google offices in Chicago a few month earlier and at their suggestion, I had added more AdSense ads and for a short time after the changes both the number of visits and the ad revenues rose nicely. Even after the Google ad team's suggested changes, the pages were certainly not top heavy.

    The site still ranks relatively well today, but in many cases where it was #1 or #2 in G, it is now #5 or #6. The result is that the visits fell by about 80% and the revenues fell even further, to the point that I decided against the distraction of having ads on the site (since making money on the site was not my original intent, only a very happy side benefit).

    The information on the site is basically unchanging, so other than putting up new articles every so often and fixing links to certain external government sites that also rarely changed, it was about as passive as a site could be. I was looking forward to a long stream of income with very little work. Well G fooled me. Bing sends more visitors today than they ever did before, but those visits are a fraction of what Google used to send.

    My long-winded point is that any book that promises income "for the rest of your life" (which appears three times in the book) is highly suspect.

    Again, this is about THE BOOK, and doesn't mean that people should avoid the internet or avoid marketing. Both are valid avenues to making a living.
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    Speaking for myself, I know far too much about what doesn't work and not enough about what does work,
    I also know way too much about what doesn't work. Usually from the time and money lost. I don't even know who Catt Mutts is.

    Unique is your best asset, because one thing that the spiders can tell is if the words represent duplicate content.
    I agree. Tried and true. I also don't really know any SEO "tricks" but original content, on page SEO, and backlinks HAVE worked for me in the past. I trust them, I know they work. There is your foundation. At the very least, it won't kill your site at the gate.

    Dave, for what is worth, my comments were directed solely to the content of the book you described in the original post. I never suggested that you - or anyone else - cannot build a successful website.
    I wasn't knocking you, or tearing your post down. (At least it wasn't my intent.) But sometimes this forum is more biased than the Taliban when it comes to any form of marketing. If this was the Middle Ages I'm sure I would have been drawn and quartered for heresy a long time ago.

    I question his premise that you can find high paying AdWords where the top spots can be snagged in the SERPs with a minisite and a few weeks of self-linking through article directories and web 2.0 properties.
    I do too, truthfully. Which is why I'm not relying on it. But use them to bolster the juice on my main backlinks? Maybe. But even if it doesn't work, it won't hurt. I'm also only talking about using/paying for a backlink strategy once I KNOW the site will make money.

    He states that you can have the income stream FOR LIFE. Nothing lasts forever...My long-winded point is that any book that promises income "for the rest of your life" (which appears three times in the book) is highly suspect.
    I agree completely, which was why I said in my original post "Hyperbole aside..." was aimed squarely at that. I automatically discount it out of anything I read, but I still look at the basic idea put forth without prejudice because of marketing idocy filtered through the lens of my own experience. The basic idea is affiliates/review sites, with original content, and a backlink system in place. No one has said they haven't stood the test of time, which is more convincing to me than any marketing hyperbole. I also conceded in the first paragraph I never got Adsense or affiliates sites to work. (At least not well) But I DO KNOW the basic idea put forth, HAS stood the test of time. The basic methods outlined have stood the test of time. Which makes it something to possibly look at again. I'm not trying to advocate a new way of life. All I have asked is "is this worth a second look, given the marketing realities of 2014?"

    But you are absolutely correct...the odds are against me. But that has always been the case in IM and that hasn't stopped me so far. My father once said to me "You embrace failure better than anyone I've ever known." I'm still not sure if he was complimenting or insulting me. That pretty much sums up my IM career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsieg58
    Like I said, if you can show me something better, please do. While we're on the subject, If you can show me a successful, money making website that doesn't use established marketing and/or copywriting techniques, please show me that too.
    The difficulty here is that no one wants to share that kind of information. Those who can, do. Those who can't, either teach or boast. "Secrets" are especially popular. But, anyone who does know any secrets to making money makes darned sure they keep them secret. Otherwise every Tom, Dick and Harriet will jump on the bandwagon with copycat sites - often with the result that the window of opportunity closes.
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    The article you're referring to is an article in the Wall Street Journal
    Fair enough. Point accepted. But without reading the book I can tell you that he would have ticked this box early on in his copy.

    and trying to sell them pretty hard on Flippa using many of the same techniques you outlined above though. Let me guess.... that's different, right?
    I don't know about "same techniques". I have at least 20 emails from prospective buyers saying they were attracted to my listing because of the "different" approach - no-nonsense, no BS, warts-and-all description. But, yes, it's different. Selling your old car when you've bought a new one, or selling your house because you're moving to another town is different from people making a living using sophisticated psychological techniques - both legal and illegal - to separate consumers from their money. Particularly when, like with MMO merchants, they start with the tactics and tricks and tag on a useless product (only because you do require a product to make the scheme work).

    Like I said, if you can show me something better, please do.
    Hmm. There are numerous fascinating ways of making money online. I'm not going to write a big article about that today but I've written about it before. Making money online is possible. But following MMO merchants is distracting from your goal, not leading to it.

    If you can show me a successful, money making website
    Website? That's narrow thinking. Why do you need a website? Anyway, one example is this site. I've made money because it exists. The website itself doesn't make me any money. Brett Tabke of webmasterworld.com made millions because of his site but $0 from the site itself - he built a (conference) business. Also, there are numerous ways of making money online without a website. Daytraders make millions online as do pro gamers, pro poker players, some app developers, domainers. You could make a living off just photos, youtube videos or, as many of you are exploring, by writing electronic books. All without owning a website.

    But automatically shooting down any suggestion because they "market" their product in a way that isn't acceptable to this forum...
    The forum doesn't have a "position". I've given you my personal opinion based on exploring hundreds (maybe thousands) of these MMO schemes. It's not about marketers using a particular marketing or copywriting "technique". It's because the ones we are discussing are more marketing than product. In many cases 100% marketing and 0% product (just the "appearance" of a product). You can take my opinion or leave it, but I do wish you wouldn't take comments so personally.

    Again, this is about THE BOOK, and doesn't mean that people should avoid the internet or avoid marketing. Both are valid avenues to making a living
    Exactly!
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    My two cents,

    1) Will online shopping become bigger and bigger? Yes, I don't think that anyone doubts that.
    2) Will the creation of hyper-targeted niche sites make you a large passive income? 5 years ago, sure, nowadays, no.

    The reasons for 2 are quite simple.

    A) SEO is no longer an easy game to play. You need to constantly be on top of shifting algos and adjusting all the time.
    B) Good backlinks are a bitch to get, especially for a niche site that exists primarily to send people off to other sites to buy
    C) It is very difficult to even make the first page of Google anymore and often impossible to be above the fold because Google has greatly reduced the organic component of the SERP over the years.
    D) You are, or will be, in direct competition with Google itself at some point. They may shut down the Google Affiliate Network for now but don't be surprised if they start pushing their own affiliate links in their SERPs at some time in the future.
    E) You will be competing with all the adwords clients out there, if there is a penny to be made on a click, someone is already trying to do it.
    F) E-commerce will largely be controlled by a few large brands. I don't go to Google and search for a toaster, I go to Amazon and do it directly there and see all the relevant reviews related to it.

    Is there anything new in MMO? No, but the key (if you want to make money) is to take the lessons put forth by the MMO crowd and find innovative ways to implement them. We saw this time and time again, whether it be getting at the forefront of the local search wave, or taking the concept of affiliate marketing and applying to it lead generation, etc...

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    Very, very, intelligent post. I agree with everything you said, especially "D" and "F." Could you explain a little more about your final paragraph? Applying affiliate marketing to lead generation?

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