Is Privacy Holding Back Humanity?

[JJMcClure]

I don't know. What makes you care for them?

More pertinent to the effect that trading had on our evolution, what makes him NOT care for strangers....

[Andy]

So where did the cook get the food to cook and how did the witch doctor get food to eat? They must have traded their specialisation with the other specialists so they could all survive. Barter was the most primitive form of trade. You go and catch the darned beastie and then I'll cook it for you. Then we can both eat. And if we feed the witch doctor while we're at it, he'll cure us if we get sick.

MMMM Tang...

But you're wrong, trade brought us Tang, not government. Government just made it popular

Aw, gee. What about G.I. rations?

[Saul]

so why is solving the problem of resource scarcity ridiculous?

You're saying that interchangeably with removing trade. Solving the problem of resource scarcity is not ridiculous. Suggesting that we need to remove trade to do that is. You've never given a reason why, other than the absolute that trade is the problem by its very existence.

Looks like we don't even agree on the definition of trade, so arguing it is pointless.

[benitez17]

Do you know any? I know you can't be talking about me because that's the last thing I am. Living on some backward hippy commune is the far far from what I'm discussing. For starters they have to work for a living, any similarity would end right there.

Are you now not in favor all of humanity sharing all information and physical resources?

Also, how do you expect to get to a state where humans are free from work without setting up some sort of commune for that technology, given that not every person on the planet will have contributed to those advances?

[grynge]

I don't know. What makes you care for them?

I care for them because I love them, I don't feed them to receive their love. So what are they trading for the food? I ask nothing for it they give nothing for it where is the trade?
I supply a roof over their head but I don't ask that they pay for that, where is the trade in that?

[Saul]

I care for them because I love them, I don't feed them to receive their love. So what are they trading for the food? I ask nothing for it they give nothing for it where is the trade?
I supply a roof over their head but I don't ask that they pay for that, where is the trade in that?

The fact that you love them is enough to make the trade happen. It benefits you to give them food because you feel good doing it - that's the value you get in return. That's why we have people around us and keep exchanging value with them, be it emotional, intellectual or material. That's all trade in its core, in my point of few.

More pertinent to the effect that trading had on our evolution, what makes him NOT care for strangers....

Probably because those strangers have no value to offer in exchange.

[tke71709]

The fact that you love them is enough to make the trade happen. It benefits you to give them food because you feel good doing it - that's the value you get in return. That's why we have people around us and keep exchanging value with them, be it emotional, intellectual or material. That's all trade in its core, in my point of few.

Trading is the act of exchanging goods or services. Anything beyond that can be charity or altruism, but it isn't trade IMO.

[Saul]

Well, we can certainly disagree. Exchanging of goods or services is trade in economics. But the behavior of trade exists not just in economics. How else do you call other kinds of exchange? And do I even have to start about altruism, charity and selflessness?

[Kay]

Trading is the act of exchanging goods or services.

Even married couples exchange services. I do the cooking, Dave does the washing up. It's a partnership. Is that not "trade" of a sort?

And there are other family/domestic situations which occur, otherwise you wouldn't get the "trophy wife" phenomenon. The woman didn't choose the hunkiest male most able to physically bring home the bacon to mate with. She chose the guy with plenty of dosh so she could have more new pairs of shoes. That's trade, no?

[Saul]

Exactly. If that's not "trade" you can call it what you want but that's the fundamental human behavior I call trade. The exchange of goods and services derives from it.