Site Flipping 101

**hooperman** · May 6th, 2010, 5:35 PM

A while back I bought some PLR (I think the company I bought it from had "golmine" in the title) and downloaded it all in a frenzy. It was so bad I asked for my money back, which I got. Even though this "content" (clue) still sits on my hard drive for free, I'd rather cut my arm off than use it. It's awful. Maybe other PLR stuff is better, but the whole PLR thing is not my cup of tea.

**3Six** · May 7th, 2010, 8:56 AM

As Clinton suggested in another thread - if the content is too crap for your own site, why not make articles out of it and stick it on article directories?

**christopheravell** · May 7th, 2010, 9:24 AM

Originally Posted by 3Six

As Clinton suggested in another thread - if the content is too crap for your own site, why not make articles out of it and stick it on article directories?

Because if something is too crap I don't just want to stick it online. Why fill cyberspace with "crap". Yuck.

**3Six** · May 7th, 2010, 9:34 AM

Christopher, you make some great posts, but sometimes you're just repetitive. If you don't like something you can state your displeasure and move on. When you keep banging on and on about the same thing it becomes bloody monotonous. You've already pointed out very eloquently

that it's "yuck" in your previous post.

My rhetorical question was a suggestion to those who are reading this thread and who don't have your (misplaced?) ideological objections. Try and keep it professional, please, and respect that others may not share your points of view and as long as their views are legal they should be free to discuss and debate them without being heckled at.

**christopheravell** · May 7th, 2010, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by 3Six

Christopher, you make some great posts, but sometimes you're just repetitive. If you don't like something you can state your displeasure and move on. When you keep banging on and on about the same thing it becomes bloody monotonous. You've already pointed out very eloquently

that it's "yuck" in your previous post.

My rhetorical question was a suggestion to those who are reading this thread and who don't have your (misplaced?) ideological objections. Try and keep it professional, please, and respect that others may not share your points of view and as long as their views are legal they should be free to discuss and debate them without being heckled at.

Sorry, I will try to tone it down. It is just hard for me to believe that someone would suggest putting crap on the internet -- I mean something they themselves have been determined to be crap. If you find garbage in your yard I would not suggest you put it in someone else's. It just surprises me to see that suggested. It just seems to me that sometimes people are only worried about how something can benefit THEMSELVES and are not concerned with others or the quality of the web as a whole.

Misplaced ideology? Well, that might be the case. But it is also the case that the more careless us small entrepreneurs are the easier it becomes for Government and Big Business to begin to choke-us-out-of-existence. How many easy forms of making money in the past have you seen disappear because they were abused an misused? While you may find my posts on this non-eloquent I have found that often a quick quip (with repetition) has a much better effect than a long winded explanation that most readers just gloss over. The rule of repetition in marketing is a well tested principle.

**tke71709** · May 7th, 2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by christopheravell

It just seems to me that sometimes people are only worried about how something can benefit THEMSELVES and are not concerned with others or the quality of the web as a whole.

The Internet is a cesspool, I wouldn't worry about the quality of the items found on it.

If you put crap up on an article directory (which no one will ever see) for the purposes of gaining backlinks I don't think you're making the Internet any worse. Sure, you're gaming the system (Google) to try to get your content ranked, but if that content is good content I don't have an issue with it and it's often the only way to compete with other less useful content that also games the system.

**christopheravell** · May 7th, 2010, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by tke71709

The Internet is a cesspool, I wouldn't worry about the quality of the items found on it.

If you put crap up on an article directory (which no one will ever see) for the purposes of gaining backlinks I don't think you're making the Internet any worse. Sure, you're gaming the system (Google) to try to get your content ranked, but if that content is good content I don't have an issue with it and it's often the only way to compete with other less useful content that also games the system.

I totally agree that the internet is a cesspool but if we don't start to worry about the quality found on it, be assured, someone with big business or big government will. Let's not give the two-tiered internet legs!

I totally agree with you TKE -- if that content is GOOD. We all want the internet to be full of GOOD (unique) content... I am not a huge fan of "gaming the system" and always recommend my clients against it. But some here have been talking about content they consider to be "crap" or "too crappy".

**3Six** · May 7th, 2010, 10:16 AM

Thanks for getting back, Christopher. I don't like "crap" on the internet but I'm all in support of letting people decide for themselves both on whether to post it and where they'd like to post it. What you may think is perfectly good content may appear "crap" to me. I wouldn't dream of suggesting you take material from your site offline because it offends my sensibilities or some individual's belief system on what constitutes the perfect internet.

I'm not in favour of forum spam either, but it isn't illegal and I fully support people's right to try spamming this forum or any other forum. As part of the mod team it'll fall on me to remove the spam - and I will - but it's important to not confuse personal preference with taking other people's decisions for them.

I'm looking forward to good threads on black hat methods of manipulating search engines, how to create blog comment spam and go under the Akismet radar, how to pull a good expired domain before anyone else gets to it. I don't believe the agenda for this forum is to improve the internet, it's to encourage discussion around matters related to buying, selling, trading and profiting from websites and domains. Whoever you are and whatever your likes and dislikes, there'll always be some discussions that don't appeal or even annoy. The best button in those situations is the one with the "back" arrow

**christopheravell** · May 7th, 2010, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by 3Six

Thanks for getting back, Christopher. I don't like "crap" on the internet but I'm all in support of letting people decide for themselves both on whether to post it and where they'd like to post it. What you may think is perfectly good content may appear "crap" to me. I wouldn't dream of suggesting you take material from your site offline because it offends my sensibilities or some individual's belief system on what constitutes the perfect internet.

I'm not in favour of forum spam either, but it isn't illegal and I fully support people's right to try spamming this forum or any other forum. As part of the mod team it'll fall on me to remove the spam - and I will - but it's important to not confuse personal preference with taking other people's decisions for them.

I'm looking forward to good threads on black hat methods of manipulating search engines, how to create blog comment spam and go under the Akismet radar, how to pull a good expired domain before anyone else gets to it. I don't believe the agenda for this forum is to improve the internet, it's to encourage discussion around matters related to buying, selling, trading and profiting from websites and domains. There'll always be some discussions that don't appeal or even annoy. The best button in those situations is the one with the "back" arrow

Yes, "crap" is subjective but we are not talking about using content and worrying that someone else might consider it "crap". It has been suggested that you post content you consider "crap".

I am surprised you would want to be associated with such conversations such as black hat methods of "manipulating the search engines" and how to create SPAM. Unless you mean you expect to see them here so you can redirect people. To me, manipulating the search engines is the same as cheating on a test. Sure, you may get an "A" but you are still a cheat.

**Clinton** · May 7th, 2010, 11:05 AM

christopheravell, I support the discussion of all related matters whether some consider it cheating or not. If it's legal and on-topic, I'm all for having a discussion. Here's my guiding principle for discussions: If there are some members who want the discussion and it's legal, we'll have it. It's not decided by a majority vote or my personal likes. As a forum admin I'm not going to bring my value equation into the mix.

It's the members' forum and if any member wants to discuss something on-topic in an intelligent, polite way, I fully support them doing that.

I can't see it happening but if two members want to have an extended discussion in a thread about spamming blogs, I don't think anyone should get in the way. If they know content is of a very poor to junk quality and want to discuss what to do with the content, that's fine with me as well. Readers will judge which threads appeal to them and choose what ideas they want to implement and they should be able to see the "good" with the "bad".

You and I have had extended chats and you know what my personal philisophy is and where I stand on content for my own sites. But that can and will stay a personal philisophy and not something I expect everyone else in the forums to follow.