FP - 'Flipping' vs 'Hatching'

[flipcrowd]

@ Stenrok - Where's the storm? I was merely pointing out that if you're going to 'school' someone in the meaning of a word, taking a very limited/narrow view of that word's meaning isn't exactly going to encourage a positive reponse.
There has been a general consensus that building a site from 'scratch' and selling it is different to 'flipping' a site (http://flippingplanet.com/forum/thre...g-Myths-Vol.-1), which is what prompted this thread in the first place.

@Mr Flipper, you've acknowledged your definition is a 'limited' one, and that despite this you still pefer not to use 'scratching' as a term for building a site from 'scratch' - and I respect your choice to do so.
Please be clear that I absolutely respect your position and right to your opinion (whether I agree on your rationale or not) - refer above where I say "You voiced your opinion, and I respect that...".

It was you that for some reason brought mods into the discussion (again I'm yet to understand why). Bryan's point was very valid - personally I see myself as a member first and foremost and only as a mod only when mod duties are required.
There has never (to the best of my knowledge) ever been an example of a mod here at FP trying to force an idea or pull rank on an idea...so again I'm a bit lost on your reasons to be so negative towards the FP moderators (perhaps this is due to other threads where I see you have taken issue with other members that just happen to be mods?)

I never said you were wrong, or that I was right. I also never claimed everyone must use 'scratching' as a term - some people have clearly agreed with it, and some people have offered some thoughtful and reasoned debate on the topic.
It's your right to use whatever term you feel most comfortable with, but please extend the same curteousy and respect to those that do wish to use the term...because as my opinion cannot be deemed gospel, neither Sir, can yours.

[MR FLIPPER]

OK, shall we end this little debate of ours?

[stenrok]

Hi guys,

I hold up the white flag...I am not here to upset anyone and if I have I apologize.

[GreyWolf]

You're right on the money! Scratching means; scratch the plans with a pencil, through whatever your working on into the bin (trash), scratch the idea and start again.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. I don't know if "scratch that" is just an American idiom for canceling or deleting something or if it's common in other English speaking countries as well. Here in the USA though it's almost always immediately understood that way though.

All meanings of scratch are are actually related to the core definition of "scraping a surface with something sharp" that's the same whether you're scratching an itch, or scratching something out. Scratch as used in "starting from scratch" is no different. The term originated as a reference to the line scratched in the ground for the starting point of a race, or other sport.

So basically if you use a term like "building something from scratch" or "starting something from scratch", "scratch" refers to the unstarted condition on the other side of that line. The key creation terms in those example phrases are "building" and "starting"



As far as the second part of your reply:

This is a perfect example of Mod's not listening as they are forcing thier thoughts and opinions through peoples eye's. In return negative feedback/posts are given back and forth.

I have to completely disagree. The discussion that was going on was pretty good until that comment derailed it.

I imagine flipcrowd would have started the thread regardless of mod status. It was probably made sticky because it brought up a good point that people should start making a distinction, regardless of what final term might develop in common usage.

This thread was mostly about flipcrowd proposing a particular term that he feels might be able to catch on, I don't think anyone was "forcing their thoughts and opinions" on anyone. This thread was simply about flipcrowds idea, so it's still up to him to say "I made this thread because I like the term and I think everyone should start using it". That doesn't mean everyone will adopt it.

I think its a worthwhile discussion about the various merits of what term might be the best. New terms are funny things, all you can really do is bring up the idea. There's no way of forcing it, either people will start using a term or not.

The best term might not be either of the ones flipcrowd or I brought up. Someone else might post a reply later saying their favorite word for it is "gobbledegooking" and before anyone knows it that becomes the common term. The point is this thread just put out the idea, it isn't going to determine the end result. LOL

Whatever starts becoming common usage is what will determine the final term. I think "Scratcher/Scratching" is too confusing with "abandoning or canceling a website ", flipcrowd thinks "Builder/Building" is too confusing with "building on websites in general". Which is better? Who knows?

The main point is that it should be distinguished as something separate from flipping. Anyone with better ideas can always give there own opinions.

[MR FLIPPER]

I ended up buying a domain called "www.buildersandflippers.com" I wounder if it's worth any cash?

[GreyWolf]

LOL.
Well just as with any other new domain. It could become very valuable, or worth very little. It really depends on what you can do with it.

I can imagine a few website models related to the discussions in the thread and in the forum that could make it very valuable. Those types of websites can also be very expensive to build up too though.

It'll be interesting to see what you can do with it.

[succor]

Okay, here's my two cents. If you are buying a new domain name and then doing something to it and then selling it then you are investing or speculating.

invest: 1.to commit (money) in order to earn a financial return; 2.to make use of for future benefits or advantages

speculate: 2.to assume a business risk in hope of gain; especially : to buy or sell in expectation of profiting from market fluctuations

Just throwing those out there. I don't see anything wrong with scratching or building either as long as everyone understands what it means. I will admit that the term scratching evoked a vision of doing away with something though.

[GreyWolf]

BTW - I'm not totally against the term "Scratching", I just thought it was worth some discussion. Like I said Flipping websites is related to the same term used in real estate, and so it's worth looking to the same source for other terms.
Builders and Flippers are the main type of speculators in real estate so the same terms make sense for websites as well.

At the same time, it's the common usage that actually determines the terms people adopt. I can certainly see that if Scratching became the common term then people would start making the connection instantly after awhile. That's just how language works.

I think the most likely way to actually get the term to stick is for someone to write an ebook with a catchy title.

"Scratching for Dollars", Scratch your way to Success", "The Scratcher's Road to Riches"

Anything like that combined with a really solid workable method could cement a term into the market's vernacular.

So, my guess is that the first person to really come up with a good term (whatever it is) and then markets it, then that'll become the term that takes off.

[MR FLIPPER]

I'm going to market/brand this puppy of a domain like hell.

[flipcrowd]

Some really good ideas here.

My feedback so far:

Building - To me this is purely creating, it doesn't lend itself to the act of creating AND selling, which is what this thread is all about (ie differentiating from 'flipping')

Succor - I liked your points but I would put 'investing' and 'speculating' in the 'flipping' column, as they both relate to the acquisition of an asset with the aim of receiving a positive return.

Grey - One of your points above is really valid and actually one of the reasons I really like the term 'scratching'. Whilst it was originally a play on words of the term "building from 'scratch'" that made me think of 'scratching', the thing that solidified it for me was exactly the same as what you said above, ie that scratching to you was "abandoning or canceling a website"...in essence I think thats actually very accurate...and why I mentioned earlier the double entendre of 'scratching' that made me think it was so apt:
1 - You build a website from 'scratch'
2 - When you sell it you 'scratch' it from your portfolio

Thoughts?