Young Capitalist, Got Started On-line in 2002. Now I Flip On Side & Live My Dream

[Slowdive]

Its not even a question of banishment, its simply a case of these forums are a pretty unique platform online. If you find yourself here to share knowledge and increase your own with no thought of selling, self promotion, gaining a following, making a name or promotion of products. Well then you will find this place is amazing and populated by amazing helpful people who have had more success than thirty of me and practice as much if not more humility.
If however you are here to gain in a tangible and immediate way, here to attract enquiries and directly increase or promote your business interests. You will find it populated by ruthless skeptics and cold receptions, we are not offering solutions or selling plans we are literally helping each other in the most honest sense. It is what makes this place special, unique and why we are so passionate about it.
So really thats all you need to consider, as that will dictate how welcome you feel here.

[Kay]

@cBusiness

What you're telling us doesn't add up. You've presented yourself as being hugely successful and experienced. In post #4 you say:

3 - Find & Lock Out: When I find trends, I focus on them to the exclusion of everything else. Before competitors even find the market, I've already established various unique websites. If I have the energy, I'll effectively lock out the entire front page of search with my own websites. Customers will see different websites/layouts/price but everything is being purchased from me or if a content website, managed by me. This means different hosting, different c-classes, private registration, and understanding some very effective techniques for keeping competitors ranking beneath me, & more

and yet in post #10 you say:

I never looked at ALL registrars nor information about how long ALL transfers take. AS STATED IN MY POST, this was my first time attempting to diversify where I host / register. Mainly, this was because I had two large, unique content websites I wanted to be able to link to other sites with.

The first seems to suggest that you're experienced with diversifying your registration and hosting. Yet later in the thread you tell us this was your first attempt to do it.

Perhaps you have an explanation for the contradiction. To me, the bit I quoted from your post #4 looks like spiel straight from a "Dominate Your Niche" ebook. And the post #10 looks like a newbie trying to implement that spiel.

If I cannot be accepted for being Unique, A Maverick in the forum apparently, I accept my banishment.

Everyone is unique, and we already have plenty of mavericks and even some oddballs aound. Far from banishing them, they tend to rank among our best members.

[cBusiness]

Slowdive -
Hugely successful? You said that, not me.
Maybe you should just try reading what I say at face value instead of generating new terms to sum up my story.

I've sold a site to people with a lot more funding than I've ever made to know, I'm not "HUGELY SUCCESSFUL" in the banking world. That is my opinion of my story. But maybe that sounds 'huge' to you?

My story, is My History. Take it or Leave it. I'm not aiming to prove anything. It's a waste of time and pointless to argue.

My time's more valuable than to squabble over such points when they are being created out of your creative psychology/opinion.



KAY -
I put no dates to create a timeline of which I spoke.

And as for locking out a niche. Who says i need 'A LOT' of hosts / registrars?

Some offer multiple unique IPs. I've had 2 hosting companies that aided me initially and I still locked out.

I owned two VPS accounts where I can get various IP addresses at a low monthly rate.

Therefore, I did not need to goto more than the two hosts I went to, to 'find and lock out'. Especially before 2012. I bought .com's , .nets, and .orgs and hosted them on the same servers before early 2011.

I began voyeuring further recently because I have some diamonds in the 'rough' and felt insecure about my prior tactics with all the Google algorithm updates. Just being more careful because I feel I was walking on egg shells, banking on a future with such too little diversity.

[Clinton]

cBusiness, I would recommend you browse some of our other introduction threads. You will find a very different tone to this one. Every single introduction has been welcomed by at least one EP member and several have evolved into friendly little discussions.

This is the only introduction on the whole forum that has taken the turn it has.

You must accept that this may be in part due to the nature and tone of your OP (and second post). While you saw them as introducing yourself others seem to have seen them as blatant and aggressive self promotion. I suggest you accept their collective opinion and move on to other threads here and start making quality posts. You'll be surprised at how the same people who've posted in this thread would be the first to give you thanks and reps when you post something of value! So, go ahead and build your rep count and thank you count .... you're the one who stands to gain from it.

[cBusiness]

3 or 4 people = whole forum?

I've proven each 'jab' taken at me to be wrong. Factually speaking. Where-as a lot of people here just make false assumptions, in their attempt to discredit me.

Either way, my time's more valuable than arguing. I understand this little 'society' has a clique that does not welcome my honesty.

I ask my account be deleted. My time's more valuable. Just the bottom line of it all.

If I'm not welcome, that's fine. Wont make or break me. I don't see progression in the negativity I've received from this forum.

And the funny part for me in all of this, I've proven you all wrong but you still take jabs at me, as if my story has to be false because it does not fit in your 'mold'

Good luck to all. God Bless.

[KenW3]

Hi cBusiness Welcome to Experienced-People.net. I must admit, people less determined than you would have walked away a lot sooner than this. I admire your persistence! You're quite correct, argument is a waste of time here. We do, however, respect those members willing to fight their own corner when they believe they are right.

I ask my account be deleted. My time's more valuable. Just the bottom line of it all.

If I'm not welcome, that's fine. Wont make or break me. I don't see progression in the negativity I've received from this forum.

Actually, you are most certainly welcome here, as is everyone. I cannot delete your account; It is our policy to not delete threads, so we cannot delete accounts that have posts.

I can understand why you may not see a way forward from membership here, but it very well may be in your best interest to remain. People here are normally very helpful. Your first two posts triggered the negative reaction. As you have taken the time to make 8 posts here, and have stated your position clearly, I hope I can help. Please allow me to explain what caused some of this:

The first part of your intro was great, but

Never worked a 9 to 5 and never plan to. I will live my Dream in entertainmetn or Retire on a hot website idea, whichever works for me.

All of the established members here have worked very hard all of our lives. We all work 9 to 5 and longer, because business owners have significantly greater responsibilities. Your statement, therefore, unfortunately displayed a lack of business understanding. As for age, I am twice your age in years and have been continuously subscribed to online commercial services for three decades, making my first money online in 1984. This is unimportant and completely insignificant to business owners and members here, because it says nothing to demonstrate knowledge or abilities. People posting in your thread each also have many decades of business experience to draw from, and I know they couldn't care less how long I've been making money online.

Entertainment is my first love though, so if you see me selling a project... It's likely you are funding that endeavor or traveling.

This statement says you intend to sell us your projects, and if we buy them, we will be funding your entertainment or your travel. How would you react if someone said the same to you? The first part of your intro was great; The second part made members here question your intentions. Members here help each other, we are not here to be customers to one another. (I know that's not the way it works on other forums like the Warrior Forum.)

I'm from the country so my communication may be a little different, but I know the markets I enter very well and regularly execute to win, first try.

You are from the country? The members posting in this one thread are business owners representing five different countries on four continents. We communicate quite well. Each member also knows it is not possible to always execute to win on a first try, but all are very persistent, have resources, and know how to make money.

I am sorry to say: The rest of your second post did you no favors. Your points one through five sound very much like guru-speak from some cheap get-rich-quick ebook. Please allow me to respond to your point 3. Please understand no disrespect is intended.

3 - Find & Lock Out: When I find trends, I focus on them to the exclusion of everything else. Before competitors even find the market, I've already established various unique websites. If I have the energy, I'll effectively lock out the entire front page of search with my own websites. Customers will see different websites/layouts/price but everything is being purchased from me or if a content website, managed by me. This means different hosting, different c-classes, private registration, and understanding some very effective techniques for keeping competitors ranking beneath me, & more

One word: Gobbledygook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobbledegook

Again, I apologize for saying, but this is gibberish. It is both not possible and -not- advisable, even on a smaller scale. Trends are defined as such because of the span of time they encompass. While you may be able to grab a small piece of a fad, not even major corporations can control a trend without competition. Can you understand why some members may perceive this as somewhat pretentious?

Last, as I know this is getting long: We get members here from the WarriorForum and DigitalPoint, and those with many posts often have bad habits that don't translate very well to our rules. If you're more used to places like SitePoint or WebMasterWorld, you'll have an easier time here.

Please know that no disrespect was intended towards you; It was (some of) the statements contained in your posts that provoked the member responses above. You can choose to fit in here. You obviously have the strength of character and the will to do so, as you have shown in this thread. EP is a very worthwhile place to remain as a member, but you must be here for the right reasons and be completely honest.

Please also know that everyone here considers EP a rather special place. You are certainly welcome to the benefits EP can provide, as is everyone. It is unique in the online world and, as you have seen, members rise to protect each other when the need is perceived. Everyone would just as soon help you succeed, if you are willing to share with the honesty and integrity expected by all on a business forum.

[David S]

Hi, cBusiness. I'm sorry that your welcome has been more challenging and less welcoming. Frankly, it seems surprisingly harsh to me, too.

I hope that you can get past getting the proctology exam and join in the other more satisfyiing threads. I think rather than continue down this slope, I would let it drop and simply start participating. You are unlikely to sway the skeptics by battling over words and perceptions. Sharing your wisdom and asking your questions in the proper forums will be what carries the day.

Welcome.

[Clinton]

Proctology exam is one way of putting it I suppose

But, yes, some of the posts have been quite harsh and, as I've said before, there is no introduction thread on this forum that has been this brutal to a new poster.

Ken put it well. As usual. I bet after reading that many of us wish we had his diplomatic and presentation skills!

cBusiness, you are free to stay or leave, I won't try to convince you one way or the other. I'm not sure you appreciate the different culture here and if you continued to make posts similar to your first two it could end up causing unnecessary stress, but I have no doubt that if you got a feel for this place you would have much to gain and much to share.

@everybody else: Sometimes when we get new members whose posts scream MMO marketers maybe it would be best to leave the likes of KenW3 to deal with them rather than indulging in personal attacks which even I am sometimes inclined to do.

[KenW3]

But, yes, some of the posts have been quite harsh and, as I've said before, there is no introduction thread on this forum that has been this brutal to a new poster.

There are other threads and posts here that are brutal to new members, but not all of these are in the Welcome section.

Were these replies exactly what was needed to help this new member? This reaction can be very helpful to someone, if they can understand the response and assess the cause. This is a huge opportunity for this member to make a major move forward by first taking two steps back and making an effort to understand.

The first posts from this member in this thread are an example of receiving business training from others not especially well-versed in application. It sounds like a misguided teacher or bad habits from another forum got to this member? Everyone in business has learned some things the wrong way, tried and tested and learned what works, then realized their knowledge needed adjustment. Knowing what won't work is as important as knowing what does work

To put it bluntly, We have had a couple of members here who are desperately in need of cult exit counseling. Is this thread an intervention? I could not have made the post I did without the framing provided by the prior posts. This thread shows EP is a community, and sometimes harsh is the most helpful. This thread is a learning opportunity for what it represents.

Sometimes when we get new members whose posts scream MMO marketers maybe it would be best to leave the likes of KenW3 to deal with them rather than indulging in personal attacks which even I am sometimes inclined to do.

I have the same inclinations; That's why I was staying out of this thread. I don't have time to deprogram people who have bought junk courses and books, with the assurance they can get-rich-quick and beat the system, when working within the system is the easiest way to profits. The points made about being first to a trend is a good example. It is obvious that being first or having exclusive rights to a product or service can be a lottery ticket, but I don't play the lottery due to the odds against me. My experience is: It is significantly easier to make good money by being -last- to a trend or a niche, as you can see what is working. For example, how long was Amazon losing money by being first to the online book buying trend? Business owners don't need to innovate (as the process is expensive), they can emulate what has gone before and is proven to work.

Emotion is a nemesis sometimes when I feel strongly about something. At the very least, this member had an educational opportunity to see how important this place is to members. It is obvious they all care a great deal about other members here.

...and I'll admit: I'd like to strangle anyone capable of filling someone's mind with the useless crap I see in other places. I sure don't want it brought here any more than the rest of EP's members. There are forums that should be shut down for the harm they do to those simply wishing to make some extra money. Life is short enough as it is, without needing to unlearn garbage before being capable of moving forward once again.

[JimWaller]

Hi and welcome cbusiness,

I've refrained from posting in this thread, because I didn't want to add to the perceived negativity. As you may have noticed by now, there are definitely more than 3-4 people who post here.

Some members chose to only be active in a handful of fora. I usually fall into that category. I can speak for no one but myself, but I can say I often choose not to post because I don't feel I have something to say. (Maybe I'm a victim of that old saying, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all")

I'm sorry things got off on the wrong foot with you, however, your initial posts were very aggressive and off-putting, which is why you came under attack. That has already been detailed, so I'll not mention it further.

If you choose to participate in this community, I think you'll find it can be very welcoming and informative. I hope you choose to become an active, positive part of this community. I look forward to learning more about you in future posts.

Kind regards,
Jim